rape incident of black woman at Duke University

Is reparations necessary? Is it not necessary and why? Is it too late? What are your opinions about this which is now coming to a head butting situation.
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:think: interesting article. I just have to wonder more about the McDonald's woman background. because this case brings up personal issues and biases on both sides.

I still say there is no way in hell a case would be brought against 3 white guys on the word of a black woman alone, esp. a black stripper w/a past AND esp. in the south. and w/an election on the line? no how, no way. no matter how "black" the area is. there *has* to be evidence and their lack of forthcoming info about "what didn't or did happen" confirms there is something to hide.
http://cnn.com

Verdict's split on prosecutor in Duke rape case

POSTED: 4:58 p.m. EDT, October 8, 2006

DURHAM, North Carolina (AP) -- There's not much middle ground in the legal community when it comes to opinions of prosecutor Mike Nifong's most famous case.

His law school classmate Patricia McDonald, citing "an utter lack of evidence that a crime even occurred," wrote to Gov. Mike Easley and urged him to pressure Nifong into stepping aside in the Duke University lacrosse rape case.

"Mr. Nifong has lost his moral compass despite his claim that he is a `committed advocate for the truth,"' wrote McDonald, a former assistant in the Maryland Attorney General's office.

That's not the Durham County district attorney John Bourlon knows.

The criminal defense lawyer has faced off against Nifong hundreds of times over the past three decades. He's seen the prosecutor drop a weak case the day before trial.

Despite the supposed flimsiness of the evidence in the Duke case, Bourlon keeps coming to the same conclusion:

"I'm convinced he has something."

Issues of race, class and justice

Untold hours of television air time and countless drums of ink have been spent parsing what the Duke case -- with its three white, private-college defendants and the poor, black stripper who accused them -- says about race and class in our society.

More recently, the question has been: What does the case say about the fairness of our justice system -- and the power of those who run it?

If the American legal system is a machine, the prosecutor is the On/Off switch. The prosecutor decides whether a person should be charged with a crime and, if so, which among a wide array of statutes should be used. Ultimately, it's his choice whether to go to trial or drop the case.

These are decisions, of course, that can upend a person's life, says Joshua Marquis, a vice president of the National District Attorneys Association. "Accusing a man of sexual misconduct ... is just about the worst scarlet letter you can paint on somebody. And there is enormous responsibility that comes with that."

Nifong's critics say he has abused his discretion, prejudicing the case with unethically loose talk, stubbornly refusing to acknowledge contradictions in the accuser's statements and ignoring strong exculpatory evidence. The players' defense lawyers accuse Nifong of using the case to woo black voters in a tight election.

But fellow prosecutors say the job's wide discretion cuts both ways.

"What happens if he decides, `I'm not going to present it to the grand jury. I'm going to play judge and jury, and these guys are going to walk'?" says Charles M. Hatcher Jr., a former West Virginia prosecutor who successfully overcame a misconduct complaint. "Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't."

Nifong lights a fuse

The particulars of the Duke case were an explosive mix to begin with:

Black accuser, white athletes. Southern town, walled campus. Racial epithets. Protest rallies. National media.

Then Nifong lit the fuse.

In the weeks following the March 13 party where the alleged rape occurred, Nifong referred to the players in interviews as "hooligans" used to having "expensive lawyers" get them out of trouble. He denounced the "blue wall of silence" that had supposedly formed around the perpetrators and said DNA would reveal exactly who had committed the rape.

Even after DNA tests failed to establish a link between the players and the woman, Nifong took the case to the grand jury, which returned indictments against three men: Dave Evans, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann.

Defense lawyers and bloggers have been picking apart his case ever since.

The alleged victim -- a single mother who attends historically black North Carolina Central University -- has told at least a dozen different versions of her story, by one defense lawyer's count. Toxicology tests failed to show she was given a date-rape drug, as Nifong suggested in one article.

Seligmann's attorney says Nifong refused to look at cell phone logs, ATM video and taxicab receipts that supposedly prove his client couldn't have committed the crime.

Enter the bloggers

Nifong's public statements "almost certainly" violated a state bar rule that forbids prosecutors from making comments outside court that have "a substantial likelihood of heightening public condemnation of the accused," wrote K.C. Johnson on the Web log Durham-in-Wonderland.

"Few prosecutors in history have publicized their case and condemned potential defendants as egregiously as Nifong did," wrote Johnson, a Brooklyn College constitutional history professor.

Suggesting that Nifong was grasping at anything to keep his case alive, critics noted that the second dancer at the party allegedly changed her story after the prosecutor personally intervened to have her bail reduced in an old embezzlement case.

Others faulted the supervising detective's 33-page report -- which was handed over to the defense four months after the alleged attack, and which contradicts what the rape nurse and others remembered about the accuser's early statements.

"There is almost no evidence that could be construed as corroborating the alleged victim's accusations," says Rob Warden, director of Northwestern University Law Center on Wrongful Convictions. "The prosecutor appears to have acted precipitously, without due consideration of evidence to the contrary -- evidence that does not fit into their theory."

Prosecutor falls silent -- almost

Chastened by the attacks, and by a judge's order to limit "extrajudicial" comments, the 56-year-old prosecutor has ceased giving interviews, though he has used court appearances to rebut his critics.

During a recent evidentiary hearing, Nifong shot to his feet when Evans' attorney Brad Bannon suggested that the prosecution had "very little evidence" other than the accuser's word.

"Your honor," Nifong said, "I object to his characterization of my case."

On his campaign Web site, alongside photos of his wife, son, and Australian shepherd, Tillie, Nifong defends himself against allegations of misconduct.

"I have never understood why any prosecutor would try to gain an advantage at trial by concealing evidence from the defendant," he wrote, saying he began giving "open-file discovery" to all defense attorneys 20 years before the state legislature required it.

"And that is why I have never had a conviction overturned for violating a defendant's right to discover the State's case against him."

Fair and apolitical, colleagues say

To believe that Nifong is blindly forging ahead with a bogus case simply to get elected to a job he had to be nudged into taking (he was appointed when a previous D.A. became a judge) goes against what colleagues and even courtroom adversaries have said about him: That he's fair and apolitical.

Bourlon says Nifong, a former math teacher and social worker who went to work in the DA's office 28 years ago as an unpaid assistant, is not that kind of prosecutor.

"He doesn't hold cards back and play games," says Bourlon. "It's just not his way."

And he does dismiss cases; his office last year dropped 44 percent of all felony charges it filed, before they went to trial.

While Warden doesn't think Nifong can win a conviction in the Duke case, he concedes that the district attorney is under no ethical obligation to drop it "if he thinks the person is guilty."

After an indictment has been returned, it can be tough to walk away from a case, notes the prosecutor in another high-profile rape case, Mark Hurlbert of Eagle County, Colorado, who brought charges against NBA star Kobe Bryant in 2003.

"Your ethical burden does not outweigh this feeling, that you put the time and effort into this case. You want to see it through," says Hurlbert, who dropped the charges against Bryant when the accuser, battered by defense leaks and media scrutiny, withdrew her cooperation.

"We were ready to go to trial," says Hurlbert, who adds he hasn't seen anything yet that makes him think Nifong should drop his case or appoint a special prosecutor.

Gov. Easley, meanwhile, has no intention of asking Nifong to step aside, spokeswoman Sherri Johnson says.

Nifong, facing election in November, says he expects to go to trial next spring, and he intends to prosecute the case himself -- if he's still in office.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press . All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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That article just proves what this case is about. I mean would this case really have gotten this far if not an election year. I think the sheriff and prosecutor saw an easy ticket to the black vote. And its so sad that the black vote can be bought so cheaply. I mean this girl is not going to be able to do anything else for the rest of her life with out this following her. I still say what frat party you know of that only people from that frat or team is there? I know it seems funny that I keep saying that but why just look at the lacrosse players when everyone with half a brain knows that college parties for some reason spread waaayyy beyond those originally invited.
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which brings me back to the coach resigning. :scratch: he resigned quicker than Dick Cheney could lie. and the season canceled too. my money is on the coach raping girl along w/guests he brought to party, or coach directly involved w/guests at the party.

which means the school knows the reason behind the resignation and is covering too. :roll: either way it's all bullshit coverups for what happened at that frat house.
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it is my VERY strong belief that the other stripper who is speaking against the accuser is being paid to do so. that woman doesn't come off as someone credible or w/ethics. and now all of a sudden she's on a campaign trail to speak against the accuser. skank! :nay: she's a gold digger and was even inquiring as to how she could make situation work to her advantage. :roll: again, skank!
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Post by Dean »

I wouldn't be surprised. I read the same thing early on about her calling someone to see how she could turn this to her advantage. At first she said there was no rape. Then she changed her mind and said it possible if not likely and received favorable treatment from the district attorney with her embezzlement case. If she is now saying it never happened again, one would suspect her motive would be personal gain.
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well charges dropped against the little piss ants, well just the rape charges for now.

either way, they'll still go on to be corp leaders and set a good example for the next group of racist assholes to come. and I'll be sure to rip their nice white cotton shirt the next time I see it.
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Sorry to say it but I have been waiting for this day, I mean the case had served it usefulness a long time ago. I wonder if they thought if they waited this long noone would say anything. Ahhh yea. Too bad now she is going to look like a liar and they are going to look like the victims.
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The Duke lacrosse players may have been many things, but I doubt that they were kidnappers and rapists.

The accuser, if she were truly evil, would have stuck to one story and sent the players to prison.

Duke University should be ashamed of how little they did to stand behind their players.

The DA has no redeeming qualities. He should lose his job at the very least.
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Post by Dean »

I just read an article on the Charlotte Observer's website entitled "Police say DNA links teen to 2 rapes". It happens to be about an 18 year old African American. It was the first that I had heard of the case and my initial reaction was that he must be guilty. Then I thought of the Duke Lacrosse case where the prosecution would seem to do or say anything to get a conviction, including withholding evidence. It quickly dawned on me that "Police say DNA links teen to 2 rapes" means next to nothing. The shame is that we will probably never knew if he is guilty or innocent. His defense will likely be prepared and presented by a public defender, because it's unlikely he has the means to buy true justice. What are the chances that any misconduct by the police or prosecution will come to light? What are the chances, guilty or innocent, that he won't spend the rest of his life in prison.


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Dean wrote:The Duke lacrosse players may have been many things, but I doubt that they were kidnappers and rapists.

The accuser, if she were truly evil, would have stuck to one story and sent the players to prison.

Duke University should be ashamed of how little they did to stand behind their players.

The DA has no redeeming qualities. He should lose his job at the very least.
yeah but those little piss ants made some pretty hateful comments, not rape related, but racial, along the way. at most, they are assholes. but unfortunately, that's not prosecutable, yanno.
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