Katrina... who screwed up and why

Who's making a difference, and who would you like to see more of, and who just needs to get a clue? Who's part of problem or solution for everyone as a whole?
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Mike Brown is a piece of :shit: I'm watching his testimony regarding Katrina and when asked directly what did he do when made aware of the catastrophic conditions in New Orleans, he goes back a few years to discuss organizational problems :o

he's now trying to weasel his way out of the situation. I wonder if this guy is related to any of the SteelEye managers? :think: screw up and then point finger elsewhere or cover up :roll:

OH NO HE DIDN'T! :o oh no this assjack-jackass did not say he feels abandoned by the White House :naughty: well now he knows how he made the Katrina victims feel.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/10/ ... index.html

Brown's lucky he wasn't drop kicked across the White House lawn after demonstrating complete arrogance and incompetence in the middle of a major catastrophe. regardless of communication breakdowns or structural dramas (name one organization which doesn't have these issues), SOMEONE had to step up and be a leader, it's why they're called leaders, as in people follow them and trust their guidance. his own staff had more sense than the former horse manager. maybe he really only managed jackasses instead of horses.
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levee reform mumble-jumble

what difference will it make. hurricane season starts again in 4 months. w/storms becoming more and more severe from global warming, New Orleans is facing complete elimination

news.yahoo.com - Louisiana levees[/url]
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and you can blame the senators who voted down levee improvement funding 3 years ago. :sigh: :angry: almost an entire city GONE. it will never be the same. people will settle someplace else and not even think about returning for annual events.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12083571/
New Orleans' recovery could take 25 years
Bush official says lots of time, money still needed for Katrina-stricken city

Updated: 4:47 p.m. ET March 30, 2006

WASHINGTON - A full recovery in New Orleans could take 25 years as homeowners, businesses and tourists are coaxed back to the city devastated by Hurricane Katrina, the Bush administration’s Gulf Coast recovery coordinator said Thursday.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Don Powell said that much of the city’s rebirth will hinge on factors he said were “out of our control,” including restoring housing, ensuring safety and encouraging robust investment by the private sector.

“We kind of want it to happen overnight, or I do, but it’s going to take some time,” Powell said. “This could be five to 25 years for it all to fit into place.”

Powell also said the Army Corps of Engineers now estimates it will cost an additional $5.9 billion to repair levees enough to fully protect and insure nearly 1.1 million residents of the greater New Orleans area.

That is in addition to the $3.5 billion the Bush administration has so far sought to bring the levees back to at least their pre-Katrina levels by June 1, the start of the 2006 hurricane season.

Powell said the Corps recently told him the administration must commit to spending as much as $5.9 billion more before it could fully certify the levees, as needed to issue flood maps that determine insurance rates and allow rebuilding to begin.

Powell said he does not know how many more federal dollars Washington will commit to the region, or whether some of the money will come from state and local governments. “We haven’t decided what to ask for,” Powell said.

But he said that decision and the release of new flood maps would likely happen in a “relatively short period of time — in a matter of days.”

Strengthening levees over the next two months
Over the next 60 days, Powell said, the Corps will be strengthening levees and building storm-proof pumping stations and flood gates to close certain parts of New Orleans’ canals in the event of a major storm.

“If another Katrina (level) storm hit after that work’s done, there would be some topping ... but the flooding would be all manageable,” Powell said. “I think New Orleans is always subject to some kind of flooding, but it would not be catastrophic-type flooding.”

In Baton Rouge, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco called the nearly tripling of the estimated cost of levee repairs “an outrage.” She demanded that Congress come up with the money. She said the $3.5 billion investment so far has focused primarily on rebuilding the flood protection on the east bank of New Orleans.

Without the additional cash, Blanco said, the Lower Ninth Ward and St. Bernard and Plaquemines parishes likely wouldn’t receive the levee repairs needed to give them the protection they had before Katrina.

“Obviously all sections will not be secure,” she said.

$19 billion in funds pending
The White House so far has asked for $108 billion in Gulf Coast relief and recovery aid, all but $19 billion of which has been approved by Congress. The remainder is under consideration by lawmakers. The new levee costs are not included in that spending pot, Powell said.

In a conference call with reporters later, Army Corps of Engineers Maj. Gen. Don Riley said the new costs are the result of ongoing repairs and studies of the levees.

“As we learn, we will adjust our methodology and our estimate,” Riley said. “To do it properly, it takes time. Our main interest is in getting this right for the people of New Orleans.”

What the storm-ravaged region will look like in upcoming years is largely up to state and local officials, Powell said, though the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development will have authority to “tweak” some of the housing plans.

The four parishes that make up New Orleans and its immediate suburbs have been waiting for the Federal Emergency Management Agency to issue the flood maps for months.
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Have you seen how they have all these trailer homes that people could be living in while they rebuild their homes and because government doesn't want to pay the jacked up prices(which I think is a load of bs) they are just sitting empty. At first I was thinking why are they dumping on Mark Brown look how fast he cleaned up after 9/11 and the hurricanes in Florida, then I saw his I am going to blame it all on the White House and leave it at that testimony. I still think Bush has a habit of ignoring major problems till all the stinky poo hits the fan but for Mark not to step up and say I messed up I thought one thing and it was clearly another truly took me out of his corner.
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Post by Hmph »

you mean Mike Brown? or was there someone else? could be because I stopped paying attention to their names after more people got involved.

but the reason claimed for not assigning the trailers is FEMA didn't want to move them to flood plain areas. however, in Mississippi people are living in tent cities which I think are now shut down. they're not in flood plain areas. for those areas it was mostly high wind damage.

and why not move the trailers to Baton Rouge or set them up in Arkansas and allow residents to move into them wherever it's safe instead of having them roam around? :shrug:

this whole situation is sad and devasting to many. imagine you wake up tomorrow and just the clothes on your back is all you have. your job and home is now gone and you have kids to take care of who also need school and stability.
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Post by MsNikaPooh »

Yes I do. I really understand cause we had family memebers that got seperated they say they didn't find out how serious Katrina was going to be until too late for them to go anywhere but the Astrodome. Luckily they took their own food and water cause from what she says it was unprepared for them to be there. I am just saying even if they leave them where they are it would be better than just leaving people misplaced.
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you go Mary Landrieu!!! her TAXPAYING constituents are getting royally screwed while jackasses are spending more time worry about Cynthia McKinney.

you think Mary Landrieu gives a shit about McKinney. if you haven't seen the destruction personally, it's beyond devastating. imagine someone came through and just wiped out your neighborhood completely and the surrounding areas. all you worked for is gone, no schools exist, no businesses exist. and you're waiting on FEMA, even for simple shit like water to survive.

Landrieu's father was a former mayor of New Orleans, so this is also very personal for her. she doesn't want to see her history just die off w/a stroke of a pen.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/04/ ... index.html
Landrieu threatens to block appointments over levees

Tuesday, April 4, 2006; Posted: 5:35 p.m. EDT (21:35 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Frustrated by a lack of progress in rebuilding the state's levees, a Louisiana Democrat threatened Wednesday to block President Bush's appointments requiring Senate confirmation until "significant progress" is made toward restoring the flood protection damaged by Hurricane Katrina in August.

Saying coastal residents "cannot wait much longer," Sen. Mary Landrieu blamed the loss of 1,200 lives in her home state "to the loss of wetlands as a protection and a lack of levees that held."

She is demanding that the Bush administration develop a comprehensive levee, flood control and coastal restoration program, and dole out the funds to pay for it.

"For me, this used to be a major policy issue," she said. "Now, it's an issue of life and death."

The senator said she sent a letter to Bush on Tuesday and "urged him specifically to request of Congress $6 billion that his administration says that we need in order for our region to be safe."

If the White House fails to meet her demands, "I will be compelled to use the power of my office as a senator to hold all executive nominations until we can get a response from the administration."

There was no immediate response from the White House.

Blocking or failing to act on executive appointments may not be the only pressure she applies, she warned. "I have other leverage, and I'm prepared to use it if I have to."

In her Tuesday letter, Landrieu writes, "Mr. President, the piecemeal approach that has marked your administration's response to providing adequate levee and flood protection for Louisiana has not worked. It needs to be replaced by a comprehensive approach that is both more effective and cost-efficient."

She added that money spent on levees and flood control would ultimately save the government money "by eliminating the need for costly post-storm recovery and rebuilding in areas that were not adequately protected. That is a major lesson learned from last year's horrifying experience."
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Post by Hmph »

some asshat-jackass from Florence Alabama wrote in the following to CNN:

I'm tired of hearing all this talk about Katrina Victims. they need to learn to help themselves.

these were primarily TAXPAYING citizens who either owned a home or rented w/kids who were in school and had jobs at physical buildings. the home is gone, the school is gone, the company is gone. and possibly the car. and the pet(s) were killed or whereabouts unknown after being abandoned during evacuation. the home street has no functioning utilities, AND AGAIN NO PHYSICAL HOME. and this after paying taxes and insurance.

I can't wait for something to happen in his town so I can say: help ya damn self.

the problem is the media played the race card and only showed a 2 mile radius during the disaster after the levees broke (Superdome, Convention Center and French Quarter are all in same area). they failed to cover the types of neighborhoods which did exist. as a result, people like the "bama" in Alabama think it's just welfare recipients waiting on another handout.

instead these are primarily people who have worked all their adult lives and lost everything UNFAIRLY and avoidably because again, 3 years ago, levee improvement funding was voted down by an asshat senators who represent asshats like the "bama" in Florence Alabama!!! :sigh:
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wow FEMA blames FEMA. ain't that a joke? :roll:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/14/ ... index.html

Report: Criticism of FEMA's Katrina response deserved
Inspector general: 'Much of the criticism is warranted'

From Mike M. Ahlers
CNN Washington Bureau
Friday, April 14, 2006; Posted: 3:00 p.m. EDT (19:00 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After being roundly criticized in a slew of media, congressional and government reports, the Federal Emergency Management Agency's internal watchdog Friday returned its own verdict on the handling of Hurricane Katrina: The criticism against FEMA is largely deserved.

In a hefty 218-page reportexternal link, the Department of Homeland Security's inspector general writes that the federal government and FEMA received "widespread criticism for a slow and ineffective response to Hurricane Katrina."

"Much of the criticism is warranted," Inspector General Richard L. Skinner writes.

The report gives an account of FEMA's recent history and response to Katrina, covering ground that has been well-plowed in recent months, although adding some details.

It describes manpower problems, a decline in planning for natural disasters as attention focused on possible terrorist scenarios, and confusion over the roles and responsibilities of officials in responding to disasters.

It culminates with 38 recommendations to FEMA's director and to the agency's parent organization, the Department of Homeland Security.

Among the findings:

# Comprehending the disaster: With the communications infrastructure destroyed, it took FEMA officials about three days after landfall to grasp the magnitude of the hurricane's destruction.

# Meeting expectations: FEMA has long held that state and local governments should be prepared to survive 72 hours before federal intervention. But the report says, "It is unclear whether this is responsive to the needs of a state and the needs of disaster victims." The report continues: "What is clear is that a 72-hour response time does not meet public expectations, as was vividly demonstrated by media accounts within 24 hours after landfall."

# New response plans: The federal government was phasing in two "watershed planning documents" when Katrina struck -- the National Response Plan and National Incident Management System. Katrina exposed "severe deficiencies" in the response plan, such as the role of the principal federal officer, the person designated to coordinate the federal government's response. Then-FEMA Director Michael Brown was designated as such a person for Katrina.

# The role of emergency managers: The report questions the need for "emergency managers," one of 14 functions carried out by FEMA staff members during an emergency. Agency staffers who created the "emergency manager" function said it was "hastily designed, is incomplete and has not been fully implemented," the report says.

# Integrating federal and state command structures: The report says the federal government and the state of Louisiana, in particular, had "great difficulty" in meshing their command structures and "never fully achieved a unified command with FEMA."

# Emergency housing: The report cites numerous shortcomings with delivering housing. It notes that cruise ships contracted to provide shelter for emergency relief workers were 35 percent occupied during the first 30 days after the disaster. "At that occupancy rate, the cost to FEMA was approximately $3,363 per week per evacuee, which was about three times higher than the existing per diem rate for federal government workers in the area," the report says.

# Search and rescue: FEMA was ill-prepared to conduct the massive search-and-rescue function. Its federally coordinated teams conducting secondary building searches found spray-painted symbols indicating that state teams already had looked through the buildings.

# Ice, water and supplies: FEMA needs to improve the tracking of supplies. Some FEMA and state workers said they had to order twice as many supplies to get half of what they needed, primarily because they had no confidence in the system.

# Disaster drills: FEMA conducted large-scale natural disaster exercises between 1995 and 1998 but then opted for smaller ones with fewer participants. FEMA officials also said it became more difficult to maintain relationships with local officials when the job of awarding grants was transferred to another unit within the Department of Homeland Security.
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:sigh:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/22/levee. ... index.html

Levees ailing before Katrina hit, report finds

Monday, May 22, 2006; Posted: 1:25 p.m. EDT (17:25 GMT)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- New Orleans' levee system was routinely underfunded and therefore inadequate to protect against hurricanes, according to an independent report released Monday.

The report also called for an overhaul of the agencies that oversee flood protection. It took aim at Congress for its piecemeal funding during the past 50 years, and at state and local levee authorities for failing to properly oversee maintenance of the levees.

"You tend to get what you pay for," Dave Rogers, a member of the team of academics who extensively studied the system, said during a Monday news conference.

The study was performed by the Independent Levee Investigation Team, led by the University of California, Berkeley. The group has been highly critical of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which was in charge of designing and building the complicated system.

The study released Monday said floods overwhelmed levees and flood walls, both on the fringes and inside the city. Breaches were caused by weak soil in the levees, poor engineering and breakdowns in sections where different types of flood protection meet.

The Corps of Engineers has been working to repair and upgrade the levee system before the June 1 start of the hurricane season. However, officials said part of the work will not be finished by then.

Raymond Seed, a member of the study team, said Monday that engineers must pay attention to other spots in the system that may fail if another hurricane hits New Orleans.

"The next weakest link is the one you have to be worried about," Seed said.

While the corps is trying to upgrade the levee system, it is installing huge flood gates at key points to prevent the type of Katrina-like storm surge that entered canals and overtopped and breached levees, leading to the flooding of 80 percent of New Orleans and surrounding areas.
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