whatever!but if you men rigged the couch, then we're fine. because yall some non-fixing mofos
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in investigataing a case you need both analytical thinking and an intituive feeling for what is true. i sense some hostility from you in your post toward me, but only because I am reading more into the words! Before it was made public what Joran said happen to Natalee I published on Scard Monkey the very thing he said. It some cases I have a deep understanding of people and intuition [/i][/b]T-Boo wrote:can't believe you would think this is a huck bashing site. which brings up another point: how did YOU find this site? i received an email to joinsaraliba wrote:What is everyones purpose here? or is everyone one person? i am getting the impression this site is about saying bad things about Huck. I do not now that i can add anything of any value there.
hink: you joined a while ago, but only recently posted. in the time that you weren't posting, what info about huck was provided to you?? i was told to I needed to do alot of reading
I hope your dwelling into the Peterson case allows you to use more analytical thinking. or many may not find your info credible.
Hi saraliba,
Your name is familiar, I may have seen it at FP or ModBee.
You'll come across many varied opinions, but no one here is mean spirited.
It's unfortunate that some of the police found it necessary to lie during the Peterson Trial, but I still think he was guilty.
I never had a bad experience at FP. I just lost interest after the Kobe Bryant trial was over. Many here weren't so fortunate.
Mainly though, I just wanted say "Welcome!" and I hope you enjoy your stay here.
Dean
Your name is familiar, I may have seen it at FP or ModBee.
You'll come across many varied opinions, but no one here is mean spirited.
It's unfortunate that some of the police found it necessary to lie during the Peterson Trial, but I still think he was guilty.
I never had a bad experience at FP. I just lost interest after the Kobe Bryant trial was over. Many here weren't so fortunate.
Mainly though, I just wanted say "Welcome!" and I hope you enjoy your stay here.
Dean
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Hello saraliba and welcome. We have a great group of people here. Wanted to toss in my two cents on your comments regarding FP / Huck / and whether this is a FP bashing site.saraliba wrote: Tboo how do you know Huck is a convicted person? i do not even know what his real name is! Besides what matters is what people do in the here and now and what they did before. People change , the only thing we can count on is change as much as i like things to stay the same. Merrry Christmas everyone
In case you have not read through the wall of shame section with all of the topics on FP, I would say that your faith in him is from an uneducated point of view. Not stating you are uneducated, but not educated on Huck or his criminal background.
This is not a Huck bashing site by any means, but we do have allot of people here who have experienced first hand Huck, his lies, deceptions, and much more. People can change and all deserve a second chance. However they say some tigers cannot change their stripes and Huck has proven to be a living embodiment of this statement.
Most of us here were previously frat pack members and it is consistant that anyone who did not agree with Huck's opinions, was banned from his site, ridiculed by him, and in many cases he would after banning them...login using their account and post bogus information.
Two people here were previous moderators on FP website. Moderators have access to more tools than a typical member including IP tracking. They discovered that Huck had been not only banning people and logging in as them to post messages, but also creating fake usernames and using those to either create drama...or to bash people using one of his fake names...then coming back to play the "good guy" using his real name.
The proof is that these moderators have posted not only a list of at least 15 usernames that Huck uses, but also screen shots showing Huck using one IP address to post for ALL of these users. If you know anything about IP addresses, unless you are in the same office on a network that is poorly built, there is no possible way for each person to post using the same IP address short of sharing the same computer.
The same moderators also discovered that one of the contests Huck was running last year, a computer giveaway, was found to be completely bogus and in the end he awarded himself the computer by registering a username of MrsKnowItAll like 24 hours before end of the contest...also which tracked back to the same IP address that Huck uses. They approached Huck these issues, not wanting to believe they were true, and sure enough within few hours he was slamming them...banning them...and sending out mass emails that these two wonderful people quote
"have serious mental health issues and we suggest you avoid contact with them at all costs."
Few people here still have copies of that mass email and posts he made about them. You may have already met them on here or said hello to them and not even known it
. They are great people and nothing like Huck portrayed.What type of a person does something like that who has good intentions?
At one point after enough people who liked Tamra and knew her from FP came here, all sharing their experiences, Tamra had personally dealt with Huck harassing her by email and calling harassing her with nasty messages by phone...12 times in the same DAY! Not to forget him threatening her with lawsuits if she did not basically remove all negative postings about him.
In an attempt to get traffice to his website, Huck illegally posted over 100 private names and phone numbers of celebrities from the now infamous Paris Hilton phone book. He did not care that these celebrities were being harassed and stalked based upon the information people like him were posting. He only cared that he was getting more traffic to fratpack.com.
Or let us not forget how Huck was so into the Peterson case that he began writing articles telling people that his "sources" indicated Scott was innocent and stating he would start a reward fund with $25k of his own money for tips leading to an arrest. Eventually he then began asking for donations for this "reward fund", which is still listed in his articles if you look in the archives on FP or s5000.com. Through his bullshit he made out like a bandit with $383,000 to this fake reward fund. When some of us here finally stated that it was not legitimate, because if it was he would be working with police and have a verified escrow account setup...he immediately the following day stated he was ending the reward / tip line since he "exhausted all of our sources", never making mention of where the donations given were going.
When members, including one current member here, asked where their donations went, he would ignore them...deleting their messages...then started banning anyone who asked...and eventually until recently....locked the entire Peterson forum section on FP to anyone who was not a registered member.
Those things alone don't make him a bad guy, but they do prove he has no values and he doesn't care who gets hurt as long as he gets more traffic to his website.
You mentioned how does Tamra know he is a convicted criminal? Well what you also missed some of the following fun facts:
1. His real name is Gregory F. Ocelnik of Michigan, owner of 5 corporations...all of which he has claimed on his taxes make no money and all of which go to an address which has NO office building. This was confirmed by not only his corporation papers, but also someone who drove past his office to complain only to find that the offices have not existed for 4 years or so.
2. Police and civil court cases against him show him using multiple fake names including Greg Huck, Greg Orelnik, Thomas Stevens, and Howard Joseph Krapp. Court documents on this including his criminal record were posted on this site including the website addy's for where someone could get copies of these themselves.
3. his criminal record includes multiple counts of assault, destruction of private property, and on top of being on probation for the past year for larceny in a building + assault and battery against his previous landlord who threw him out and sued him for not paying his rent + finding out he was using fake name "Greg Huck" on his office lease.
4. In addition to fake names, someone here also reported him using multiple social security numbers. A 15 year sentence per usage if convicted.
5. He has no assets under his real name, fake names, or business names and his home address reported on his drivers license goes to his parents house. Pretty sad for a 45 year old guy.
6. Reports from 3 of his previous employees that he used fake names with them too and ended up screwing each one of them out of paychecks to build his wonderful sites. One company reported him screwing them out of over $100,000 by using fake names and representing himself as a non-profit organization.
Another reported him doing the same and withholding taxes, only to find out he wasnt paying taxes for this person + screwing them out of $2500 or so. IRS contacted them to report they never paid taxes for previous year and they had to pay taxes a second time. When he approached Huck, he was told he would get him taken care of but fired him shortly after and never paid him a final paycheck he owed. Can we say tax fraud?
The latest victim was another programmer who stated Huck also used a fake name with him, paid him to change the numbers on the message boards so it looked like more people were there than there really was, plus wanted him to program the site so that if someone had not logged in for awhile, the program would randomly login as them and create fake messages to make it look like they were still posting.
There is allot more but this should give you a better idea that your faith in Huck is very misplaced hopefully. Everything stated above is documented with proof over the topics Tamra gave to you.
So if I were you I would be a bit more careful about who you trust, especially when it comes to Greg Huck / Ocelnik. If you don't believe me, here is a little test.
Go back to FP and post some of the things I have posted above. Or better yet I started a topic on this some time ago challenging Huck to show us proof to the contrary to these claims and documents and copies of his criminal record and stated if he could provide proof...everyone here would personally apologize and delete our messages about him and FP.
That topic is here:
http://tam-ra.us/workitout/viewtopic.php?t=721
You really want to see what he is about? Post on FP that you had some questions for him and ask him if these things are really true. IF he even bothers to respond instead of just deleting your message and banning you...then ask him if these things are not true why doesnt he provide proof of these things and discuss it on his site?
I bet you anything you will be shocked at his reaction or responses, and will see him for what he truly is.
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Hopefully this clears the air for you a bit and welcome to Tamra's Place.
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so now it's us who are only one person and huck is a good guy?Originally posted by saraliba:
What is everyones purpose here? or is everyone one person? i am getting the impression this site is about saying bad things about Huck. I do not now that i can add anything of any value ther
wtf ever...Scott Peterson is guilty, he killed Laci and baby Connor and he'll stay in jail for the resrt of his living life.
are you another of huck's personnality?Saraliba,
I have never seen Huck do anything altruistic, I think Scott Peterson is guilty, and I find it pretty easy to tell that each and everyone posting here is unique. Still, I'm willing to take you at face value.
As far as you being another of "huck's personnality", don't expect that opinion to change. I'm sure I'm considered one of those, as well. In time I believe you would be able to differentiate between the members here, but after eight months and over 200 posts, this one still thinks I'm Huck or something worse.
Dean
I have never seen Huck do anything altruistic, I think Scott Peterson is guilty, and I find it pretty easy to tell that each and everyone posting here is unique. Still, I'm willing to take you at face value.
As far as you being another of "huck's personnality", don't expect that opinion to change. I'm sure I'm considered one of those, as well. In time I believe you would be able to differentiate between the members here, but after eight months and over 200 posts, this one still thinks I'm Huck or something worse.
Dean
DeanDean wrote:Saraliba,
I have never seen Huck do anything altruistic, I think Scott Peterson is guilty, and I find it pretty easy to tell that each and everyone posting here is unique. Still, I'm willing to take you at face value.
As far as you being another of "huck's personnality", don't expect that opinion to change. I'm sure I'm considered one of those, as well. In time I believe you would be able to differentiate between the members here, but after eight months and over 200 posts, this one still thinks I'm Huck or something worse.
Dean
did you see what she posted?
she thinks all the members here are the same person, she is the one who made these crazy allegations first.Originally posted by saraliba:
What is everyones purpose here? or is everyone one person? i am getting the impression this site is about saying bad things about Huck. I do not now that i can add anything of any value there.
And after the gregglobe fiasco, I won't trust again, I'm not saying you are huck, I'm saying this was just too strange, the way you came to my board and here, was just odd. I don't think you are huck.
I like how you already stick with someone who comes here saying we are all the same, referring to me as "this one" really shows me that my doubts about you are well placed.